Friday, September 25, 2009
If you would like to have a say on national minimum standards in adoption, children's homes and fostering
Monday, September 07, 2009
Good grief! New heights of backward thinking even for Barnardos
agency and take it out of the hands of Mr Narey and his
colleagues.
Tuesday, July 28, 2009
Has anything changed at Barnardos (or Barnardo's)?
Barnardo's do have ALL of the adoption records back to 1947/48 when it first became an adoption agency. Getting them to show you ALL of your own file(s), if that is what you wish, is the difficult bit
I found some staff at Barnardo's very (and often quite offensively) patronising and often less than entirely truthful as to what records existed and what information they contained. I'm still having problems with Barnardo's re information regarding my father and his family (i.e. possible half sister and deceased brother as well as a third child that they mention whose existence no one else seems to know of!). They come across as very helpful, but still don't like it at all if you try to dig any deeper than they would like you to go. I think it is important that people should be aware of that before approaching Barnardo's, but unfortunately there is little other choice as the law stands at present. But everyone, do also have a word with the local authority social services in the area where you were when you were taken in to care and the social services in the area where you were adopted as they may also have files with information that you want to know.
If you read here what Roger Singleton ex CEO of Barnardo's has to say on the subject of Legal Liability Insurance and the limitations that it perceives as having been put upon it by its insurers with regards to what information it should make known, that applies every bit as much to those who were in its homes in the UK or adopted here as it does to the children it sent abroad in the Child Migration Scheme. A few years ago and since that was written, one group in Canada tried to bring a class action for 400,000,000 Canadian dollars,succeeded they may well have succeeded if those involved had not been so elderly. So you do sometimes have to fight for information to which you are entitled.
see http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm199798/cmselect/cmhealth/755/8061119.htm
Robin Harritt
Tuesday, September 02, 2008
We've moved
Sunday, June 08, 2008
Joint Birth Registration White Paper
http://www.dfes.gov.uk/pns/DisplayPN.cgi?pn_id=2008_0105
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Joint Birth Registration White Paper
02 June 2008
- Joint birth registration: recording responsibility announced -
Plans to change the law to require dads, as well as mums to be named on the birth certificate are being announced by Secretary of State for Work James Purnell and Children's Secretary Ed Balls in a joint White Paper published today.
The change, which will be implemented in the next session’s Welfare Reform Bill, will put parental responsibility centre stage by giving mothers or fathers a right to insist that the other parent acknowledges their responsibilities to their child by registering on the birth certificate.
The responsibility to register a new baby for unmarried parents currently lies predominantly with the mother. In England and Wales around 7% of births each year are solely registered by mothers which means every year up to 45,000 children do not have their father named on their birth certificates and today’s announcement intends to address this by 3 key changes to the law:
1. Requirement to joint register
We are introducing a new responsibility on both parents to jointly register the birth of their child. If either parent wants to solely register, the registrar will explain to them that they have to joint register unless it is "impracticable, impossible or unreasonable to do so". If not then the registrar will ask the registering parent to come back with information about the other parent in order to continue with the joint registration.
2. Father’s obligation to register
Where the mother wants joint registration, but the father does not, the mother can provide information that allows the registrar to contact the father, who will be obliged to take a paternity test. If he is proven to be the father then the child will be jointly registered.
3. Father’s right to register
The changes will give a father the right to declare his paternity and have his name recorded on the birth certificate. Where the mother does not acknowledge that the father is the father, he will have the right to ask to take a paternity test.
In addition the White Paper also proposes other non-legislative ways to increase the number of joint registrations, for example registrar outreach making it possible for people to register in their local community at a doctor’s surgery or community centre. It also looks at more flexible hours for registration, or the option of a home visit for parents with reduced mobility.
Mr Purnell said:
"All children deserve the best start in life. It’s crucial that from the day they are born, both mum and dad recognise the role they play in their child’s life and how that shapes their child’s identity. Registering a child’s birth isn’t just a legal requirement, it’s a lifetime commitment by both parents to safeguard their child’s development, health and welfare, and provide them with direction and guidance throughout childhood."
"We want to ensure that while continuing to protect vulnerable women and children, we promote parental responsibility and child welfare by significantly increasing the number of birth registrations which hold the details of both mother and father."
Mr Balls said:
"Every child has the right to know who their parents are and we want to make things as easy as possible for both parents to take responsibility for their children. Becoming a father is a serious and significant event, as we know that when fathers are involved in their child’s life it can help them succeed at school, as well as stay on the right track during the teenage years and - for children in separated families – improve emotional health and well-being . Engaging fathers at the birth of their child, including registering fathers on the birth certificate, is vital in establishing that close involvement."
Editor's Notes This press notice relates to 'England'
1. The White Paper Joint birth registration: recording responsibility can be found at: http://www.dwp.gov.uk/jointbirthregistration or http://www.everychildmatters.gov.uk/parents/
2. The names of married parents are automatically recorded in the birth register when one of them registers. They do not have to register jointly. This works well and it is not proposed to change this.
3. The White Paper follows a Green Paper Joint birth registration: promoting parental responsibility published by DWP on 26th June 2007.
Contact Details Public Enquiries 0870 000 2288, info@dcsf.gsi.gov.uk
Press Notice 2008/0105
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Mr Balls said:
"Every child has the right to know who their parents are"
Perhaps he would like to consider compelling adoption agencies to provide
that information to adoptees when it is recorded on adoption paperwork but
is not on their original birth certificate.
I believe so given the absolutely disgraceful way in which I've seen Barnardos
(Barnardo's) in the UK acting in regard to information about fathers
http://www.barnardos.org.uk/familyconnections.htm
Perhaps indeed we should have adoption certificates that show the names of
all our known "parents" adoptive and genetic. And perhaps he could make that
retrospective. Or am I asking too much there?
Robin Harritt
http://harritt.eu
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Friday, May 09, 2008
Barnardo's and Secrecy, Again
being viewed here by the usual... Sadly one of the consequences of an
open blog. Which is why I feel a need for some openness and honesty from
the adoption agency involved, Barnardo's (or Barnardos), which is, as so
often, all spin and not much substance
http://www.barnardos.org.uk/familyconnections.htm
Take a look at that, then take a look at what Roger Singleton ex CEO of
Barnardo's (or Barnardos) had to say with regards to honesty and those
who were seperated from their families by the Child Migration Scheme
exactly the same principles aply at Barnardos (or Barnardo's) for every
other person who passed through its doors as a child (often for little
good reason)
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200001/
About halfway down the page:
Mr Roger Singleton (Barnardo's) to the Health Committee on 1 June
1998, re Child Migration to Australia and Canada
"On the insurance matter, we are acting on legal advice. You
will be familiar with the fact that risks are insured. The
present position of our insurers is ultra cautious, to put
it mildly, on anything which would remotely resemble making
a public apology, and I do not think we need to dwell on
speculating why that is so. We have taken legal advice on
the position of our insurers and the legal advice to
Barnardo's and its trustees is that we should continue to be
cautious although we are continuing to press our insurers to
try and ease their attitude where it is absolutely clear
that by the standards of the time a particular migrant had a
rough and difficult time. We want actually to be able to
formally say sorry on behalf of the organisation. The only
resources that the organisation would have to be able to
meet, for example, any compensation claims which flow from
that would be in relation to money donated for today's work
and that does mean that the trustees have to take very
careful account of the legal advice they receive." The
Health Committee's Third Report: 11 June 1998
111: Markedly different views have been expressed to us by
former child migrants about the issue of compensation
payments. Many believe that such a measure might impede the
provision of records. . . " 115: "We ask the Social
Services Select Committee in New Zealand to undertake a
detailed inquiry into the circumstances of former child
migrants there. The Department of Social Welfare has so far
refused an inquiry for three reasons: (i) the cost, (ii) the
risk of further claims for compensation, and (iii) the risk
of precedent".
The fact that my issues are about adoption, fostering and institutional
care rather than Child Migration makes little difference. This is about
how over-paid suits coverer their own and the Barnardos or Barnardo's
corporate backside with little interest in or sympathy for those whose
lives they affected as children. Which must inevitably raise serious
questions about how childrens' interests are protected today at
Barnardos.
Anyway back on subject
Just to say it looks as though someone was born a lot latter than I thought, 1952
which may explain why I did not find their death when I last searched, so I
need to have another look at Germany and England deaths, possibly English
deaths abroad not sure if you can get those online, does anyone know? If
he died here, would be interesting to see who the informant was and what the
cert. says the cause of death was (also, guessing, there could have been an inquest)
Looking at the date in the document snippet in the post below, outlining
an Affiliation hearing in 1951, where does that leave me now? Isn't it really
about time we had some honesty about issues like this from the childrens'
charity industry that keeps those charity fat cats in big cars and posh
houses
Robin Harritt
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Tuesday, April 22, 2008
Affiliation

I'm now trying to find those three, without any help, compassion or exersise of 'duty to care ' whatsoever, I am near to finding one of them and must decide how I should make contact
Robin Harritt
Friday, February 15, 2008
Adoption Open Records in the UK
Thursday, February 14, 2008
Petition to the Prime Minister
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/theyneedourcare/
Deadline to sign up by: 14 February 2009
Wednesday, January 30, 2008
Karen and Sharon
I'm still trying to make contact with Karen and Sharon from the south of Essex whose dad's name was Gerald (originally James Victor), their granddad had a scrap metal business.
My dispersed and otherwise now reunited family of siblings would just like to know a little more about the brother we never had a chance to know.
The person I was using as an intermediary in trying to conntact my family in south Essex is no longer allowed to do that work under the new Regulations.
What do you do if the ASA that has all your information is as useless as Barnardo's Family Connections UK is?
http://www.barnardos.org.uk/familyconnections.htm
They aren't as good as they'd like you to think, they never have been, you could easily find yourself left without a service, right in the middle of your search.
Barnardos Family Connections used to be called Barnardo's Counselling Services Project, it hasn't improved much for changing its name.
http://harritt.net/barnardos/bletter
and eight years later
http://harritt.net/barnardoletter
Barnardo's in England & Wales main policy as always is, 'keep our backsides covered', the individual lives of past clients and their families comes a poor second or lower priority.
By the way, just in case you should want to look me up on the internet first.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=robin+harritt&cr=countryUK (keeping in mind that I have a following of loonies on the internet who don't like what I'm doing and who have tried to make all manner of false link and even produced bogus blogs in my name. Jealousy and spite are terrible things
No strings.
Robin Harritt
http://harritt.eu
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Tina Turner
I've found out Tina wasn't born Tina Turner or Christina Turner and her mother's maiden name wasn't Turner
With the loonies I have following me around the internet at the moment, best to say much more than that
Unfortunately and rather sadly Barnardo's and its lawyers Campbell Hooper are still far more obstructive than helpful in this matter, despite the recent changes in the law
Robin Harritt
http://harritt.eu
Tuesday, January 29, 2008
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My one and only blog, by the one and only Robin Harritt
Well it's been a year and some since I last posted here. I'll catch you up on what's been happening with my Barnardo's fight in a bit
At the moment I just wanted to say there seems to have been some malicious imitation blogs out there purporting to have been typed by hand. All that is now in the hands of Google and my lawyers
I'm guessing my old Radioland blog has disappeared by now, it's been a year or two since I last paid the subscription
So now the only blog that I produce is this one hosted at http://robin.robin.org/blog/
And you can see that here http://poundpuplegacy.org/blog/154
I'll be back soon to tell you how I'm getting on with the Barnardo's thing and with my fight to expose bogus adoption searching and support agencies in the UK (and how that is why I and others are getting all the flak we're getting)
Robin Harritt
http://harritt.eu
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Saturday, December 02, 2006
Another letter.
I received another weaselly letter from Campbell Hooper, Barnardo's lawyers, on Thursday
They object to my use of the word veracity (as in lack of)
Perhaps someone can help me out with another term to use when one social worker within an organisation tells you one thing and then another social worker from the same organisation tell you something completely different? What's the polite way of questioning that?
Well at least I Barnardo's seem to be refusing to comment at all on what I have said in a letter to its solicitor, re my father's family. Usually if Barnardo's know nothing on a particular issue there is a swift denial of all knowledge, I have to take that as affirmative, along with its offer to cooperate with an ASA of my choice. In making that offer it implicitly acknowledges that the file that it last year claimed to be complete, can not possibly be so if it has other information.
Why do people who would like to claim that they are 'professionals' have to play these stupid games?
Prior to the coming in to force of the Legitimacy Act 1959, Affiliation proceedings were heard in open court and reported by newspapers, so it is hardly that Barnardos are protecting some great secret. Particularly given the speculation that I have already passed on via Campbell Hooper its solicitors. All they would be doing is saving me some research at Colindale or the top floor of Romford library, where appropriate newspapers still exist. And perhaps they could then see that the whole thing is handled with some care and sensitivity. But in my experience Barnardo's Family Connections Project http://www.barnardos.org.uk/familyconnections.htm is much more in the business of protecting the Barnardo's corporate backside.
As for those already found, apart from my alleged father's family from his his later marriage and the family of my brother who died, the rest all keep in touch at least. We tend to see each other at least once a year. The Germans, I keep in touch with via the internet. So I guess I can't have done all that much wrong so far.
Robin
http://harritt.eu
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Monday, October 09, 2006
Barnardo's Family Connections again
Robin Harritt
tel: 020 7871 1835 fax: 020 7691 9668 http://harritt.eu
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Sunday, October 08, 2006
New group for access to records including Barnardo's records
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Here is a new group for discussion and support surrounding access to care and adoption files and reunion with family and past carers. Particularly but not exclusively where Barnardos are involved
http://groups.msn.com/adoptionopenrecordsuk/general.msnw
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Thursday, September 28, 2006
I am looking for Tina Tuner
Just want to keep Tina up at the top of the charts for a while.
Anyone got any idea how I might find out if she turned up in Australia, guess I've got to get a married name first.
Total lack of any cooperation at all from Barnardos the adoption agency and ASA that arranged my adoption and knew that my alleged father had already fathered three other kids in addition to me and my brother, outside of his marriage.
Why on earth do people think that 'Barnardo's Family Connections' are good at dealing with post-adoption issues. Barnardos are useless at anything out of the ordinary. Ten years worth of ridiculous bureaucracy and something might be done to help re adoption records and natural father's families, five years after every other major children's charity and adoption agency have a policy in place, no doubt .
Robin Harritt
http://harritt.eu
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Saturday, September 16, 2006
Barnardos' Family Connections
Yesterday I got one of those cards from the postman through the door to say there's a big parcel they tried to deliver while I was out.
Went down to the PO this morning and there were three big parcels about as much as you'd want to carry of past correspondence, I've not had the heart to look at it all yet.
The bill for the last five years work will arrive sometime soon as well.
Barnardo's claimed last December that they had provided me with ALL the documents from my file, in a recent letter they admit that they have not. Those they have provided are very very poor quality copies. Extremely poor compared to the copies I have seen at Barkingside. So the fight goes on.
So be warned, if you're given any choice beware of Barnardos Family Connections, Adoption Support Agency is a real misnomer, 15 years grief trying to deal with Barnardos.
Barnardos Family Connections now refuse to see me even though I am in the middle of tracing my patrilineal family. They are providing no counselling, most of my documents have arrived on the doorstep via its and my solicitors. Completely against the rules. The documents that Barnardos still withhold are of great importance to my current situation.
Robin Harritt
http://harritt.eu
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Monday, September 04, 2006
A letter from Barnardos' lawyers
http://harritt.net/barnardoletter
Considering the main document that they are still withholding from me contains information about my long dead putative father and my mother's relationship with him and that I am currently finding my patrilineal family they are acting very unprofessionally. Just one little twit trying to protect his own backside I guess
But that's how Barnardo's at Barkingside always seem to operate, always have always will I suppose.
I won't give up fighting this. I don't think I'll ever get an apology from Banardos. The management at Barkingside is so poor that it does not realise that by not apologising, it is showing itself up for what it really is, a bunch of uncaring individuals who are mainly concerned to cover their own backs and sod the rest of us. Not the right attitude for a caring organisation.
I am determined to have a readable set of records that haven't been re-photocopied half a dozen times. I also intend to get either the few records that are still missing from those that Banardo's has provided or a full explanation for why they are still being withheld.
At least this latest letter is a move forward, in that in it they admit that some records are still being withheld, at the end of last year Barnados were claiming the bundle that it sent in December was all of the file records Barnado's hold on me. It does show what a bunch of liars can be, doesn't it.
Robin
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Saturday, April 01, 2006
Usenet
If you have an RSS capable browser
feed://news.aioe.org/cgi-bin/nntp2rss.pl?group=uk.people.adoption.searching
and its sister group which at the moment has just the one same message posted by me
feed://news.aioe.org/cgi-bin/nntp2rss.pl?group=uk.people.adoption.misc
or for a more international but mainly American point of view
feed://news.aioe.org/cgi-bin/nntp2rss.pl?group=alt.adoption
Find out how you can post to Usenet groups and help to keep them alive
http://news.aioe.org/
Or if you don't want to set up Usenet software you can contribute or just read via Google Groups
http://groups.google.co.uk/groups/dir?
You can join Google Groups here
https://www.google.com/accounts/NewAccount
Sunday, March 12, 2006
Dr Barnardo's Homes
the past.
http://groups.msn.com/thebarnardofamilygroup/general.msnw?all_topics=1
Saturday, February 11, 2006
New Barnardos or Dr Barnardo's Homes support group
A new support and discussion group
For anyone whose life has been touched by Barnardos or Dr Barnardo's Homes at any time in the past or if you are trying to gain access to your own records or your ancestor's records.
For Barnardo care leavers, child migrants and their descendants and those who were adopted from Dr Banardo's homes Also known as Banardos Homes, Barnados Homes, Barnado's amongst other spelling mistakes
http://groups.msn.com/thebarnardofamilygroup
/general.msnw?all_topics=1
Robin
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Sunday, January 08, 2006
Barnardo's Family Connections UK |
my barnardo's storey
Tuesday, November 22, 2005
Registration modernisation
Registration modernisation
Following the debacle of its last attempt to introduce new legislation
via a Regulatory Reform Order, the General Register Office have just
released the following
REGISTRATION MODERNISATION
A position and consultation paper on the delivery of the local
registration service in England and Wales
The documents can be downloaded from the links on the following page
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/news/Registration_modernisation_position_and_consultation_paper.asp
Having given it a quick scan, the most important parts as far as we
who are involved with adopted adults and those separated from family
by institutional and long-term foster care are concerned, are
following. But I am concerned to note that the list of organisation
whose views they particularly seek does not include any of the groups
who represent those affected by adoption or separation from family by
other forms of care. I am also concerned to see that GRO's records of
adoption are again left out of this round of consultation.
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ANNEX 1
ACTION REQUIRED TO PROGRESS THE MODERNISATION
OF CIVIL REGISTATION (yes their spelling and proof reading really is
that bad)
4. Records Management
Changes requiring primary legislation:
develop a system where records relating to the same person can be
linked – `a through life record'
extend the definition of registers held by the Registrar General,
and enable other records to be added to the central database, and to
link these records to birth, marriage and death records
the introduction of a new framework for accessing records.
5. Statistics
Changes requiring primary legislation:
enable the range of statistical information required to be
collected at birth and death registration to be varied more easily
consider including within a legal framework the information
currently collected voluntarily at birth and death registration.
Responses required by Monday, 20 February 2006
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Please remember what almost happened in the last attempt to change
birth marriage and death records in 2004 where we almost lost our
right to much of the information contained in recent records
(certificates). Please remain vigilant and keep your MP informed of
what is happening and how it affects your rights.
Robin Harritt
http://harritt.net
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Adopted children's reunion after 50 years
Barnardo's Press Release Date: 21/10/2005
Barnardo's Family Connections service based in Barkingside recently marked the 100th anniversary of the charities founder by inviting back adults who were placed with adopted families as children by Barnardo's.
See rest of storyhttp://www.barnardos.org.uk/news_and_events/current_news.htm?id=16776
Guess my invite must have got lost in the post.
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Monday, November 14, 2005
Irish orphanage and industrial school victims of abuse, last chance for redress 15 December 05
Were you or a deceased parent or spouse badly treated or suffer abuse in an Irish Orphanage or Industrial School?
You may be entitled to make an application to the Residential Institutions Redress Board.
Closing date is December 15. 2005.
To facilitate applicants the Board will remain open until midnight on December 15. 2005.
Contact: Burns Kelly Corrigan Solicitors at: 248. Harold's Cross Road. Dublin 6. Telephone 00 353 86408 9492
Friday, August 05, 2005
Barnardos (or Barnardo's) and my story so far
http://harritt.net/barnardos/barnardos/problems
Or if that doesn't work
http://robin.robin.org/barnardos/problems
Is the page.
Anyway it'll get that address seen around and help to raise it up the search engine ratings if anyone wants to put a link on their site please do. When I get the time I'll edit it down to something more easy to read.
Robin Harritt
http://harritt.net
phone 020 7871 1835 Fax 020 7691 9668
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Thursday, June 23, 2005
Access to Records
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/
pa/ld199697/ldhansrd/pdvn/lds05/text/50614-17.htm
This question was about the very important subject of access to files by people who have been in care and by those who were adopted and raised the point that there should be parity for these two groups in their rights to access to files.
I personally felt that what Baroness Barker said about adopted people's advantage over those in care was a little optimistic on their behalf. From my experience of being both adopted and in care and from helping other, it is actually often more difficult to get your care records if you have subsequently been adopted, I do not see how the new regulations improve that situation and I shall be making that point to her.
Contrary to what some may have believed, this was not a discussion about Civil Registration records. Proposed changes to our access to those records fell with the Regulatory Reform Committee's rejection of the Regulatory Reform Order on Civil Registration of Births and Deaths, last December. Though I think we may see another attempt at changes to B,M&D records there is no current threat to our access to those records at present.
Friday, June 03, 2005
The new Adoption Regulations for England on Searching and Access to Info
The following new Regulations for England & Wales have been laid before Parliament and will become effective on the 30th of December this year. Please take the bother to read them if you are searching, helping people to search or hope to be searched for and your adoption was finalised in England and Wales since the 1st of January 1927 (all but the last one affect you).
Statutory Instrument 2005 No. 890 The Adoption Information and Intermediary Services (Pre-Commencement Adoptions) Regulations 2005
Made 22nd March 2005
Laid before Parliament 7th April 2005
Coming into force 30th December 2005
http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si2005/20050890.htm
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Statutory Instrument 2005 No. 924 The Adopted Children and Adoption Contact Registers Regulations 2005
Made 24th March 2005
Laid before Parliament 29th March 2005
Coming into force 30th December 2005
Note: in fact *Children* can not make use of these registers but the title reflects the personal belief of Mrs Margaret Hodge MP and her Ilk that anyone who is adopted remains for ever and ever a child in need of protection from the intrusion of their natural family. So it is "The Adopted Children and Adoption Contact Registers Regulations 2005" and not the "Adopted People..."
http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si2005/20050924.htm
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This one is about future adoptions
Statutory Instrument 2005 No. 888 The Disclosure of Adoption Information (Post-Commencement Adoptions) Regulations 2005
Made 22nd March 2005
Laid before Parliament 7th April 2005
Coming into force 30th December 2005
http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si2005/20050888.htm
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The Adoption Support Agencies Regulations did not make it before the restrictions related to the calling of a General Election came into effect. But will no doubt will be laid before the new government shortly after parliament returns. I thought we would have seen that one by now but can't find it on the HMSO site.
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Thursday, June 02, 2005
My Search for my First Family the Threadgolds ( the family that my mother chose for me).
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Just on the off chance that anyone recognises the names. I am searching for members of my foster family from before my time in Barnardos. I am trying to find Penelope and Cynthia who in 1954 had the surname Threadgold.
I believe Penelope was then 7 years old and Cynthia 12. They lived at various addresses in York Rd Southend-on-Sea, with Frank and Hilda Threadgold.
The problem is that although Penelope and Cynthia used the name Threadgold there is no evidence that they were actually the children of Frank and Hilda and no evidence that either of them married using the name Threadgold.
It would appear that in 1956/7 Frank and Hilda returned to Manchester where they had originally come from. Frank's parents lived in Winsford near Over, Cheshire and his mother died there in 1956 so that may explain the sudden departure from Southend on Sea
I know that in the early 1960s Penelope was resident in the borough children's home in Shoeburyness Essex.
Penelope and Cynthia would have known me as Gareth Dafydd Curle.
Searches using info-disk the UK electoral register etc. have all been unsuccessful they simply do not appear there.
Hilda may have died at Withington Hospital Manchester in 1989. I have a death certificate which shows the deceased's usual address as Withington Hospital Manchester the informant was a James Fitton of the same address, qualification Occupier.
There seems to be some confusion over some of the deceased's details, I suspect that she is the Hilda Threadgold who I have been searching for many years but the death has been registered in the name Hilda Lloyd widow of ---- Lloyd Occupation Unknown.
Hilda Threadgold's husband's full name was Frank Lloyd Threadgold, Mrs Threadgold and Mrs Lloyd have the same date of birth, both were supposedly born in Manchester, I strongly suspect given that Hilda Threadgold has disappeared of the face of the earth, that they are the same person, but need to be able to prove it.
Frank died at the Withington hospital in 1969
When I first posted this I deliberately left out a fair amount of detail from my account in case I was barking up the wrong tree and someone somewhere knew differently. I also had to consider the possibility that one or other of the senior Threadgolds were still alive. So I'll try to give the whole story now.
Frank and Hilda when they were in Southend wanted to adopt they had been my 'parents' for much longer than my natural mother. See letter that "leaked" from Barnardos:
In letters to Southend on Sea Children's Officer Frank signs himself Frank Threadgold and in the letter above to Barnardos he states that he 'has good work as a bricklayer'. Frank appears in Kelly's Directory for Southend as bricklayer until the 1957 edition that would have been compiled in 1956.
I've checked the Calendar of Deed Polls, nothing there, they could of course have changed their names by statutory declaration, which is much more common in recent years, the only record of that would be a document in their own possession and perhaps a copy at the office of a solicitor somewhere.
I have checked the marriages indexes from about 1910 to 1954 as no indication is given in letters of their ages. There is only one marriage of a Frank Threadgold to a Hilda, that took place at what looks like Gorse Hill Methodist Chapel, Stretford(?) (or could be Shefford) in the district of Barton, County of Lancaster, on the 18th May 1940. I don't know much about that area.
The marriage certificate shows clearly that that Frank's full name was Frank Lloyd Threadgold his 'Rank or Profession' at that time was 'Crane Driver at a Dynamo Manufacturers'. Hilda's maiden name was Coverly. One of the witnesses was a V. Arathoon again the registrar's writing is not good. Frank's father was a 'Boot and Shoe Repairer'
Working back, this Frank's birth certificate shows that he was born in Over near Northwich Cheshire on 'Thirtieths September 1910'. Name and surname and maiden name of mother, Edith Parry Threadgold formerly *Lloyd* which is where the Lloyd comes from, it was common in that area to use the mother's maiden name as a middle name. Hilda Coverley was born 24th July 1910 in the District of Manchester sub-district of Ancoats at 122 Sandal Street the daughter of an Iron Turner one John Coverly and his wife Ada nee Webster.
Frank Lloyd Threadgold died 6th January 1969 at Withington Hospital, again the copy of the certificate is not good but the informant is Hilda Threadgold and her address appears to be '76 Bishop Sans Manchester 16' though the 'Sans' could be something completely different it is a very blurred copy, but it is quite clear that his occupation is given as Bricklayer.
In the time for which death indexes are available in digital form (from 1984?) seven Hilda's with the date of birth of 24 July 1910 have died. Hilda Lloyd is the only one in the Manchester area (thanks to Mike at Peopletracer UK for looking that up for me). Hilda Lloyd's death certificate shows the following. That she died 22 December 1989 at Withington Hospital, Manchester.
The entry for maiden surname is crossed trough. Occupation and usual address states; Widow of ---- Lloyd (no given name stated) Occupation Unknown.
Withington Hospital, Manchester is given as her usual address. The informant is James Fitton his 'Qualification' is given as 'Occupier' and his usual address as Withington Hospital Manchester.
She died of bronco-pneumonia, certified by M. Islam MBBS. I was never able to find a death or remarriage for Hilda Threadgold and she has not appeared on recent Electoral registers.
At the time of my adoption the G ad L tried to find the Threadgolds at their last known address in York Rd., Southend they were no longer there, that was May 1956.
In 1956 Frank's mother Edith died, see
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/laura.vizard/mypage2.htm
Which may explain why the family left Southend and returned to Cheshire / Manchester area.
In their letters to Southend Borough Children's Officer, Frank and Hilda state that they have daughters Penelope and Cynthia who were seven and twelve years old in 1954, however there are no records of births in the relevant years in England and Wales or in Scotland for a Penelope or Cynthia Threadgold.
There have been no marriages in England and Wales of either a Penelope or Cynthia Threadgold.
I have been told by someone who has seen my post on the LookupUK website that she was in the children's home in Shoeburyness with a Penelope Threadgold in in 1961 when she was 14 this is the same children's home that my brother grew up in but in a different house, he does not remember her.
Barnardos have stated that the Threadgolds were not considered as adopters because their housing was inadequate, however they were living on one floor of a large house that I visited many times in my childhood and teens and long before I knew very much about all of this.
It had by then become an old peoples home, where the elderly aunt of a family friend was residing.
But then much of what Barnardos have to say about this, is less than believable. The Social Services at Southend simply say that the adoption was not considered appropriate.
Whatever, my original mother was with me for only the first six weeks of my life, the Threadgolds for the first eight months, I have always considered them my first parents as well as my natural mum and feel that I have as much right to know about them as I do to know about Jean (my natural mother). Barnardos was *very* upset that one of its social workers gave me any information at all about the Threadgolds and managers there even considered trying to take action against the local authority for doing so, but I did not feel inclined to co-operate with them in that effort.
I've always considered that I was pretty much kidnapped from the Threadgolds who appear to all accounts to have been a very kindly couple. Records that I have seen, make it clear that the Borough Children's Officer, Doris Ridd was very much against the Threadgolds being considered for adoption, even though everyone else involved was prepared to consider them, my guess is that she was concerned that they would remain in contact with my mother and brother. The only other possible objection that I know of is some allegations about the disappearance of a family allowance book, but not as far as I know, any suggestion of fraud.
Obviously I still have no absolute proof that the Threadgolds from Manchester are the same Threadgolds as those in Southend, but given the disappearance of the Southend Threadgolds it does seem likely to me that they are the same people. Threadgold is a relatively common name in the south east Essex area well as in Cheshire, compared to rest of the country, but most of the Threadgolds in SE Essex are a good deal more affluent than Frank and Hilda appear to have been, another Frank Threadgold in that area was according to his Will a wealthy landowner with race horses amongst his estate, but not it would appear ever married to a Hilda.
I am speculating that Hilda who died in Withington Hospital was destitute and senile and the death certificate has been filled out as best as anyone was able to with limited information available, by the manager of the unit she was in.
I hope that all explains more fully and that anyone who can throw any further light on this will contact me.
Anyone who has any information please call 020 7871 1835 Fax 020 7691 9668
Also
Farm Hill, Kelvedon
Interested in contacting anyone who worked at, trained as a nursery nurse or was resident at, Farm Hill West in Kelvedon Essex. 1954/55
Sunnedon House, Coggeshall.
Interested in contacting anyone who as at Sunnedon House, Coggeshall in about 1945.
Anyone who has any information please call 020 7871 1835 Fax 020 7691 9668
A few thoughts from my old website: 1. Mrs Blair and Human Rights at Barnardo's
Despite the fact that it now has as its president our most famous human rights lawyer, Cherie Booth QC (aka Mrs Blair, wife of our current Prime Minister Tony Blair) Barnardo's policy on access to records remains unpleasant, nasty, pernicious and unnecessarily restrictive in comparison to that of almost every other children's charity in Britain. I do hope in this year of the 100th anniversary of Thomas Barnardo's death we are going to hear a few apologies made amongst the campaigning, both to those people whose families were split up sent across the world and those that were unnecessarily split up here at home in the UK and that they may at least be given back a little bit of their past in the form of proper access to their records.
One day I'll have to list all the things that have happened since I first contacted Barnardos in 1991. The late Alan Levy QC described it as Kafkaesque and like bad episode of 'Yes Minister'. Recently it's looking more like a bad laurel and Hardy script.
I have had problems with Essex and Southend-on-Sea Social Services departments but nothing like as bad as Barnardo's. When I first got my records from Essex in 1996, Barnardos were desperate to know what Essex Social Services had shown to me, because it wanted to try and take legal action against Essex Social Services for showing me documents about my time in care and adoption that Barnardo's would not have. Some people at Barnardo's in London really are that petty, that nasty that steeped in pointless professional arrogance.
